Is Self Motivation or Self Help Industry At Fault
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All great journeys must start somewhere, now is as good a time as any, following are my thoughts on the how and why of 30 wasted years and the lost self motivation. Please click on the player above to have a listen. You may also subscribe to my podcasts to the right. Thanks and lets stop those WASTED Years!
Jeff
Jeff Grundy: Hi! Welcome to “30 Wasted Years.” I’m Jeff Grundy, your host, and I’d like to welcome you to the new series. I’m not sure, exactly, where to begin. We’re talking about such a huge topic here. They say it’s a $6 billion industry, this self-improvement industry.
I think you’ve all been part of it or you wouldn’t be here right now.
Are you frustrated as I am? That’s why I call it “30 Wasted Years.” It’s a huge question, why it works for some people and not for others? What we’d like to do is get you involved, the listener, making comments on the web page and get a conversation going. Pretty much a Mastermind as in Napoleon Hill’s “Think and Grow Rich.” Hopefully, out of it, we can all be a little better and maybe understand a little better.
We could back as far as Socrates, but let’s stick with the last century here. How about Napoleon Hill? For you new listeners, I’m the kind of person who’d like to say, “Hmm.” So, if you get bored, just count how many times I say, “Hmm.”
Back to Napoleon Hill. Most people say he’s the father of the motivational industry at this point in time with his book, “Think and Grow Rich.” So how did Napoleon Hill do? Recently, I heard him intro to a book by W. Clement Stone. If you’re not familiar with W. Clement Stone, he started “Success Magazine,” made a fortune in the insurance industry.
He claims he got a copy of Napoleon Hill’s book, “Think and Grow Rich,” and that’s what turned him around and made this fortune. He then said he was so excited about it, so enthralled with Napoleon Hill, that he found him, took him out of retirement and had him lecturing to all his insurance agents. Then that caused them to make even more money and got him thinking, well, then, self-help is perfect. You teach people how to do things and they make more money and it grows and grows.
Now we’re going to talk about whether success and making money or not, a little further down the line here. So, that’s W. Clement Stone’s story.
But I’ve heard told many more times that Napoleon Hill died broke. That he was living, not in retirement, but he just had no money and no work. W. Clement Stone found him, gave him a job to help him out, and that’s how Napoleon Hill ended his years.
So, here’s the person, the father of the self-motivational/self-help industry of the 19th century, wrote the book, and he dies broke. I mean, how does that happen? There’s something missing here. Did he not understand what he was writing? I think that’s a great place for us all to start.
So this is not going to be a chance to complain and say, “Oh, it doesn’t work, blah, blah,” and on and on about that. What we’re going to do here, we’re looking for actual questions to stimulate all our minds. So get on the website, fill in the comments, ask your question or answer a question. I mean, I’d love to hear what you have to say, your recommendations. Maybe for you, you think the self-help industry, self-improvement industry is the greatest thing in the world and couldn’t live without it. Let’s hear it, that’s what the Mastermind is all about.
But what I think, is going to be important about our Mastermind is there’s no gurus. There’s no experts saying, “This is the way, then this is the what you have to do.” Actually, I heard a CD today and the guy was very happy with himself, very proud of himself. He started saying how all these gurus and experts and their own thing of what the key to success is and, “They’re all wrong. I know what it is, it’s motivation.”
So here we’ve got another person saying he’s an expert. That’s what I hope you’re never going to hear from me and my co-host, when my co-host shows up. Not here yet today. It might take a week, it might take six months, but I’m going to find just the right person.
But that’s not what we’re about. We’re not about telling you, “Hey, this is the right thing.” We’ll talk about the “Key to Success,” and further ones, “The Secret” and all that stuff. But what I’m going to pose is that success, getting there is different for each individual person. That’s why the self-improvement industry as a whole doesn’t work for so many people.
Everyone says, “This is the way to go.” For most people, that’s not the way to go, they have to go another way. So you have to get lucky and find the piece that fits you, individually.
It’s just my opinion. It may be right, it may be wrong. I don’t have any idea. But if that is true, what I’m hoping is the members that listen and make recommendations for other members and hopefully can start fitting pieces of the puzzle into each individual person. I think that would be really cool.
So I think we started enough today with our question: Does the self-help industry really help or not? Or is it somewhat of a scam? I mean, $6 billion a year industry. Maybe, what do they say, 3% of the people that buy the stuff, purchase it, and read it, if they even read it, become successful. It means 97% of the people don’t? $6 billion and 97% of the people purchasing the stuff have no results? I mean, why? Let’s talk about it, let’s dig in to it.
So each week we’re going to do a success quote to get us thinking for the next week. I’ll open up my book. I’ve a really neat book I got probably 25 years ago; someone gave it to me as a gift. It’s called, “The Best of Success,” and it’s all these quotes.
I just opened it up to a success quote, and here it is. “One of the rarest things that man ever does is to do the best he can.” It’s by Josh Billings. So is that the answer? We’re just not trying hard enough because it’s really rare to try hard? And those that do, succeed? I don’t know. I think that’s going to be a great topic for next week.
Also I have to mention, of course, what got me started on this was doing “Six Minutes to Success” with Bob Proctor. That really gets my mind going. I think it’s something you might want to look into if you’re as frustrated as I’ve been all these years.
I find part of it is I know a lot, I know a whole lot, maybe more than I need to know. And yet I don’t follow through. I think a lot of people are in that boat. “Six Minutes of Success” is really helping me each day focus on what I need to do. Of course, out of that, has come “30 Wasted Years.”
So, thank you, again, and I look forward to talking to you in a couple of days.












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Good work! Thank you very much!
I always wanted to write in my blog something like that. Can I take part of your post to my blog?
Of course, I will add backlink?
Regards, Timur I.
Sure, the whole idea of 30 Wasted Years is spreading the word and helping others.
Thanks
Jeff
Hello. Your site displays incorrectly in Firefox, but content excellent! Thanks for your wise words =)
Hi there, I had wondered myself for many yeard why W Clement Stone was so rich, and why Napoleon Hill was broke. After much research, I think I have finally figures it out. Everything else they did was practically the same. But here is one VERY important differnece- this is the one thing that I reckon separates them- W Clement Stone beleived in God, and Napoleon Hill did not. W Clement Stone really loved God and talked about him all the time in all his books. Napoleon Hill never said anything about God but he did speak of a higher power that he beleived was in control over the Earth. In my life I have found that successful and happy people all believe in God and Jesus. Nuff said.
I have a lot to say and ask about this, like:
1. What do you mean by “the self help industry”? Are you referring to every self help product, or just the general ones – the ones that promise to help you achieve all your dreams? What about more specific one, like diet plans, hypnosis audios, memory improvement or speed reading courses? (Just to name a few)
2. I think you have to make a distinction between the “coaches” or “gurus” and the way the product is being promoted. If you confront a copywriter about this issue, they would probably tell you that people won’t buy if you don’t hype up the product at least a bit.
(That’s a complex issue by itself, but I’ll leave it at that).
3. I think any adult with some sense in his head understands that in order to make any self development program work, they would have to implement it.
You’d have to agree that the majority of people are secretly looking for something that deep inside know isn’t there – a magic solution, a product that will do the work for them, or at least motivate them enough to act just by absorbing it.
I am personally guilty of buying an information product and then absorbing it over and over again, hoping that by the 100th read or listen “something would happen”.
(This also applies to other markets. Internet Marketing comes to mind)
The one exception to all of this is the self hypnosis audios, who actually promise to do the work for you, even if you don’t believe in them. I have to admit that I can’t yet say if any of these work or not.
Well, as you can see I have a lot to say about this, and I haven’t even touched the surface, so I think I’ll post about this on my blog soon…
I will sure visit here often.
Hi Christina,
You bring up an interesting point. I am certainly no expert on Think and Grow Rich but I think you are correct in Napoleon calling God or whatever he believes in as infinite intelligence. I checked my ebook copy of Think and Grow Rich and and found he mentioned the term infinite intelligence 39 times.
I do think he strongly believed in some force greater then us. As for the rest of us I have read in a couple different sources that people that regularly participate in formal religion are more successful financially.
Now whether this means they are just more disciplined people or there is something to being religious I have no idea. I would love to hear other peoples comments on this.
Hey Rotem,
Awesome comments. Yes I believe it is across the board, pretty much any self help material from general information on success to weight loss to speed reading. Although I have not seen any figures on this I would be interested if someone out there could post some figures for us if more niche product user are more successful.
As for coaches I wonder how many people continue on with a coach compared to those that quit after 1 or 2 months.
Certainly you are correct, it would be almost impossible to sell anything these days if the copywriter did not push its benefits to the edge. I know it is necessary I just hate to see it, when individuals futures are involved.
As for people knowing they need to implement something to make it work, I just don’t know. My guess is most people say this time will be different, If I buy this book or program I will do what ever it says to do this time, then when reality comes they just don’t have the motivation to follow through.
Jeff, I think you’re on to something.
Like some of the other comments left above there is a lot to say about this subject, in fact I could (and am) write a book on it, but today I’ll limit myself to two comments.
First, no group or blog site will ever be a “Master Mind.” These are alliances through which, one who has cultivated and developed the Master Mind Mindset can access The Third Mind known as The Master Mind by applying The Master Mind principle of group dynamics.
Second, my understanding with 35 years IN the experience you describe (since meeting Og Mandino and Mr. Stone at Success Magazine) is you are right on and Andrew Carnegie gave the key to self motivation in the very beginning with his description of the mandatory prerequisite for accessing The Master Mind. It seems to me the success and failure statistics you describe in the self help movement attest to the fact that most people have missed this. It’s the “secret” Napoleon Hill pointed us to in Think and Grow Rich, but only a few have found it. In fact, Hill stated out of the 500 very successful people he studied to write the Laws of Success only five (5) knew the 18th principle. What I see is the 3% who are successful using success principles are the ones who embraced that prerequisite to succeed, and the 97% who failed are trying to do what the 3% tell them to do instead of doing what they did – embrace that prerequisite. Of course there are reasons why people have difficulty doing what the 3% did. In that perhaps we will find the answers which inspired your question.
I love what you’re doing with this, Jeff. Keep it up.
With Synergy,
Don Gutridge II – CEO Synergy Coach
Guys, don’t be foolish. Napoleon Hill didn’t die broke. He left a huge foundation and was living his dream at the time of his death. The rumor he died broke came from a marketer who used that as a “catchy” headline. But if you read the rest of the article, you would know it wasn’t true. And please, there is no reason to bring religion into this.
Hi Matt,
I would love to find out more information. I have heard many time he died broke by what I would consider reputable people.
Thanks
Jeff